From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 02 Jul 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:49:01 -0400, "H.M.Hubey"
<hubeyh@mail.montclair.edu> wrote:

>
>
>Cluster User wrote:
>>  
>> there is no problem in d-, it is archaic. danubebulghar
>> also has * doxtar < * dog~dar (old ch. slavonic doxtor)
>> "pillow", chuvash s'e~dar, s'e~tar. turkic (kashg.) has
>> yog~du (camel's beard - used for stuffing pillows).
>
>Now that you mention this, it is interesting that Turkic
>yastik (pillow) seems like it is from yatsik (from yat=lie
>down). That's another word to add to metathesis found in
>Turkic.
>

I'll respond to your etymology in "some turkic words ...".

even if correct, the point is that there was a specific form of
metathesis in bulghar which produced sound combinations atypical for
turkic. but other turkic languages or dialects of them, exhibit
metathesis as well.

>
>> turkic qarIn (chuvash xIram) appears as korem (all "stomach")
>> in bulgarian, presumably from danubebulghar.
>> 
>> >>toh (cock)       tauk (bird)    toh, tyuk           togo (bird), but
>> >>                                              also the Dargin taha.
>> >
>> >Turkic taquq means 'chicken', not 'bird' which could strengthen the
>> 
>> yes. taquq, tag~uq and other variants. tauq is a common form
>> found in some languages and dialects. tox is found for azeri.
>
>FYI, tUk (feather) seems to be related to tauk.
>

see "some turkic words ..."

>-- 
>Sincerely,
>M. Hubey
>hubeyh@mail.montclair.edu                
>http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey