From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 18 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <3741f475.95858016@news.yale.edu> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36cca75c.15555467@news.yale.edu> <36cf2980.190197920@news.yale.edu> <36dee7fa.108219411@news.yale.edu> <36e40f21.4849643@news.yale.edu> <7c6hs4$va@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36f6aeef.439178515@news.yale.edu> <7dajnt$ssk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7ei51h$4m5$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <370cf95d.8677457@news.yale.edu> <7en884$1t8@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3712427B.DA4346AA@mbay.net> <3713a994.660219@news.yale.edu> <371BFCD7.98263C22@montclair.edu> <372220bb.143446995@news.yale.edu> <37226EDB.7038A129@montclair.edu> <7fuohl$ori@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <372f5c62.91986990@news.yale.edu> <372f5cbe.92079743@news.yale.edu> <7gp50a$cct@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3734b8cd.146733852@news.yale.edu> <3736019e.9033128@news.yale.edu> <7h8v0l$fmg@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.lang dobrev has: > Volga Bulgar word Closest analogies > > > KALI - a woman, a wife Kali - a woman, a wife > (Georgian) I haven't been able to obtain a copy of the rona-tas reference that dobrev gives, but a study of the inscriptions gives kiye:l (with alif hence written like kiya:l ) probably representing ke.l or ke.:l (e. closed e, in c. turkic the vowel is short) fro "wife". with the ppssesive suffix it would become ke.li, this seems to be a short form of kelin (turkish gelin), ke.lin, "bride" (properly "daughter in law") from the verb kel-, ke.l- , gel- "to come" (i.e. into the family). in chuvash it has been shortened to "kin" ( < * kil + en). I don't know about the georgian word. turkic has qarI "old " (fror a person or animal, in oghuz (old turkish etc.) used for "old woman", thus in turkish "wife". the reference seems to be: Language and history : contributions to comparative Altaistics / Andršas Ršona-Tas. Published: Szeged : Universitas Szegediensis de Attila Jšozsef Nominata, 1986.