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Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 05 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On 5 May 1999 10:02:50 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil
Karloukovski) wrote:

pritsak tackles this (from the turkic viewpoint <<fu"rsetnliste>> p.
58-60

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>there is another cyclic calendar term - "etkh bekhti", reocrded in copies 

etx' is interpeted as (y)etxi (chuvash yIta~ < *Ita) , common turkic
It (later it) + suffix.

>of medieval (Xth c.) bulg. works. That year "etkh bekhti" is said by 
>Tudor Doksov, a nephew of khan Boris, to be the year of the adoption of 
>Christianity in B-ia (thought to be 865 AD). "etkh" is equated to the year 
>"it", the year of the dog of the central-asian solar-lunar calendars (although

maybe a differnce in "newyear's day - and the bulghar calender didn't
follow the saka)

>it is 866 AD!?). Dobrev doesn't try to explain the cardinal number "bekhti",
>but L. Bazin has the turkic "beshinchi" against it. As for Tudor Doksov, I 

be$inc,i ("fifth") would be the common turkic form.

be$ "five" is pilek in chuvash. volgabulghar has bia:l and b-l-x
(unvocalized arabci) in one inscription (evidently not very clear).

miller (jap. & other ...) associates this with turkic bilek (wrist,
hand - old turkic ellik "50" and old turkic elik - "hand")

pritsak gives some instances in which medial -l- has been elided in
chuvash. thus be(l)x + ti.

now -ti seems to be an ordinal suffix, probably conencted with common
turkic -nti (perhaps -n + -ti (. found ikinti (alternate form for
2nd), in osman ikindi (namazI) the second (prayer) after noon.

ther eseems to be 2 ordianl suffixes in danube bulghar: -ti and -m,
also combined -tim (this occasionally happens in turkic languages, as
well as others - for example talysh)

(mikkola interprets as *bexti(m) )

volga seems to have -m, -nc, , inc,i, -n$ and -n$i suffixes for
ordinals. chuvash -m + -$

the ordinals in the turkic interpretation of pritsak (p. 70) are thus:

1st a"lem (*a"l@m, *a"lim) turkic il, ilk, ilki

3rd va"c,em (va"c,@m < *u":c,im) turkic cardinal u":c,;
volga vec,im

4th to"u"to"m (< *to":rtim) turkic c. to":rt (yakut tu"o"rt, turkmen
do":rt); volga teva:tim "fourth" (notice the elision of r) chuvash
ordinal ta~vatam

5th bexti (*belxti < *belikti) com. turkic c. be.:$ (elision of /l/)
(an irregular occurance of be$ for *ordinal* in volga is intepreted as
< *bex-ti)

7th citem (cit@m, < *ce.tim, *ye.tim) c. turkic c. ye.tti, ye.ti

8th $extem ($ext@m, *sikirtim) c. turkic c. sekkiz, sekiz
volga s-k-r *sekir, ord. sekirim (danube combined suffix -ti + -m and
elision of r) chuvash sakka~ra~m(a~$)

9th tovirem (tovir@m, tovIram etc. < *toqIrIm etc.) c. turk. c. toquz,
toqquz etc. ; volga T-H-r-m

>think, it is the first recorded occasion of a family name ending in -ov. 
>"doks" - probably from "dokhs" ("a boar", the year of the wild boar).
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>VK
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