From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 04 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Tue, 04 May 1999 20:59:11 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:

>a translation of a post in soc.culture.bulgaria was fowarded to me,
>apparently on a topic simialr to this thread:
>
>... "Bashkirija". (... according to the rules of the turkic rotacism,

there isn't such a rule turkic r (*r1) and z (*r2) are seperate
phonemes (or *sh* ~ l) . there are only a few pairs in which the
meanings seem related.

>"r" alternates with "z", as in "kjor" (blind) and "gjoz" *eye),

ko"r "blind" is from persian and unrelated (no claims that it is
turkic). go"z "eye" is turkic

>or the older "hraniti" (to feed!?, I though it is slavic) [from

not turkic.

>"*harn" ---> "hran-"] and "hazna" (Treasury), "kar-am" [to

xazna is from turkish hazne (xazne) < `ar. xazna(t) < pers.

it is unrelated to bulgarian words with xran-. these may very well be
related to iranian xwa:r= "to eat" (found in osset). I don't know if
they are cognates or loans form alanian.

kar-am may very well be cognate or a loan form iranian kar= "to do."

>urge, to force], "kaz-n" [penalty!?, again isn't it slavic?],

? not turkic.

>"u-kor" [a reproach], kor-kam [to frighten]. Simultaneously we

ukor is not turkic.
korkam is from turkish kork= (to be freightened, unrelated to go"z)

>have the alternation of "l" and "sh", as in "bol" (abundant,
>full] and "bosh" [barren, empty, sompare to "boshlaf"]. Thus Ziezi,

bol ~ bo$ may be a contrastive pair in turkic.

>"boLgarija" and "baSHkirija" obviously have a genetical link.

($ = sh)

bashkir was ba$qurt, ba$g~Ird etc. one etymology of ba$qurt is ba$
(head, chief) + qurt (wolf in og~uz). I don't know how reliable this
is.

if bulg~ar comes from bulg~a= "to mix" then it can't be related, one
has /l/ for the verb, not /$/