From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 04 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Tue, 04 May 1999 20:46:29 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:

>vassil karloukovski comminicated to me:
>
>===================================
>
> > >OSHAV - stewed      From the Pamirian/Persian       Pamirian
> > > dried fruit,       KHOSH (^Ñsweet^Ò, adj.) + AV
> > > dried fruit        (^Ñwater^Ò), literally - ^Ña
> > > compote            sweet water^Ò). The
> > >                    disappearance of the initial
> > >                    KH is the same as that in
> > >                    ALKHA from KHALKA in the
> > >                    expression ALKHASI KUPE.
> > 
> > turk. ho$af    <     pers. xo^$a^b probably through kurdish xo^$a^v
> >                      xo$ "sweet, nice" a:b (a^v in kurdish) 
> > (ottoman xo:$a:b,    xo$ < xwe$ (for example kurdish)
> >          xo:$a:f)
> 
> 
> well, in bulg. there is the word "kozunak" (Easter cake), which according
> to Dobrev is derived from some "pamirian" kozu/khozu for "sweet". Next,
> there  is this "ovchi" (irrigator) in runes, as you said - from av, ab (water)
> + -chi.

it could very well be turkic avc,I "hunter", av = a hunt.
the word (avc,I) is attested for khazar.

aslo "irrigator" sounds too specialized for those days. a "sucu" (su =
water) sells spring water (goes door to door) in the cities in turkey.


> You are probably right that "oshav" itself is from ottoman turkish, but you 
> see both parts in "oshav" have pre-ottoman forms in bulgarian. The same with 
> "tas" (bowl) in bulg. Probably it is derived from such word in ottoman
> turkish,

tas is a common word, arabic, based on persian.

> but then there is this "tesi" for bowl in the inscription from Nagy
> Saint Miklosh.
> 
> 


this seems to be pecheneg, nemeth is very convincing. in the nagy
treasure there are also a couple of other perso-arabisms, the style of
the bowls are said to be persian. the script is a variety of the
siberian script found in eastern turkistan (late period). the language
is turkic.