From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 02 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <372939ea.111301493@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...
>On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:32:16 +0100, "Stephan Nikolov" <stephan.nikolov@history.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

...
>>Further, the ethnogenesis is an ongoing process as well as the language is an
>>open system.
>>There have been a sizeable Gothic and Sarmatian community all along the lower
>>and the middle Danube since the beginning of the 4th century, so they must have


for example, the first barbaric Roman emperor Maximinus the Thracian (235-238), 
originally a shepherd born of an Alan mother and a Gothic father in northern 
Thrace. Entered the Roman cavalry although he spoke Thracian and hardly mastered
Latin, etc. The Goths of Wulfila who settled in northern Bulgaria (Moesia) in 
the fourth century are well known, they had a church structure, but I suspect 
they were already romanised by the time of Asparukh. About the Sarmatians, there
are some archaeological monuments, graves, etc. in NE B-ia, but what is the
textual evidence you have in mind? Did they survive as Sarmatians till the 7th
century?

VK

>this is very interesting.
>
>>left their imprint on the Bulgars dwelling in the vicinity. The Alan-Bulgar
>>connection was commented as well.
>
>there is widely acknowledged linguistic evidence for an iranian
>substratum in northwestern turkic languages and chuvash.
>
>>SN