From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 23 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <3720f0f5.6826526@news.yale.edu> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <371fb5a6.150957194@news.yale.edu> <7fpbqa$umb@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <7fqpna$7pa$1@news.ox.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:45:55 +0100, "Stephan Nikolov" wrote: > > >In my view the Latin Caesar got the meaning "emperor" (military title, popular >among the legions all along the Rhine and the Danube limes) quite early and >trough the Germanic and >Gothic mercenaries became kaiser/ kaisar in Gothic and the German languages. It >was from there the title came to Old Church Slavonic in central/south eastern >Europe and then went to Russia. Ivan Grozni should have heard the title while >listening to Slavonic Liturgies long before he even thought of waging war >against the Kazan khanate. > >I see difficulties chesare to become tzjasar^, without the medium of a "kentum" >form. > yes. the russian etymological dictioanry derives it from german. >SN >