From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 19 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On 03 Mar 1999 e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote:

>In article <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...

>>>TAGROGI - a word from Nagy   Tagarog - a reapproachment;
>>> Saint Miklos’ treasure,               becoming related by marriage
>>> referring to the                          (Persian)
>>> fraternization of two
>>> zhupans

>>i have not been able to find "tagarog".
>>there is however, indeed `ar. taqa:rub being or coming near to each
>>other, rapprochment. one of the many litterary loans in persian,
>>rendered in the modern pronounciation as ta*gh*a:rob.

>perhaps more details on the Nagy Saint Miklos treasure itself would be
>useful.  It was:
>  "... discovered in 1799 in a village in the Romanian Banat, which
>  formed part of the First Bulg. Empire from 804 to 896. It comprises
>  23 vessels. ... Some motifs are of Byzantine and Classical Greek
>  inspiration, while elsewhere we find Oriental deities, such as the
>  goddess Anahite. ...a medalion showing a rider, entirely dressed in
>  a coat of mail, dragging a captive along by the hair... This must be
>  one of the earliest portrayals of the warrior in a coat of mail,
>  since this type of armour first appeared in Europe in the IXth c."

>  " From the VIIth to the Xth century, there flourished in South
>  Russia and around the Carpathians, a school of metal workers who are
>  usually linked to the Sasanian silver-workers of Iran."
>                    (D.M. Lang. The Bulgarians..., 1976, p. 123)

>The inscription on a golden cup from Nagy Saint Miklos reads

the runic characters are in a variant of the siberian script (as
admited by the website)

as it says in the website they are discussed in:

Inscription with Proto-Bulgarian runic characters on can No. 2 of the 
treasure from Nagy Saint Miklos.
Publications: I. Nemeth. The Runiform Inscriptions from
Nagy-szent-Niklos. 
Acta Linguistica. Acad. scient. Hungaria Tommus 21 (1-2), pp. 1-52,
1971. 

being variant of the siberian script, the above information, a few
arabisms deciphered by nemeth (but not "tagarog") are consistent with
a pecheneg origin, as stated by nemeth. the website says  Baichorov
rejects teh decipherments but does not say why or give a detailed
reference.

> BOILA ZOAPAN TESI DUGETOIGI BOITAUL ZOAPAN TAGROGI ITZIGI TAISI

>and according to Dobrev describes the fraternisation between two
>dignitaries, two "boila zhupans" (allegedly done by drinking wine
>mixed with blood from the cup).

tes does seem to indeed represent `ar. Ta:s (< pers.)


>Regards,
>Vassil K.