From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 10 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <370e9c4b.38204164@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...

...
>>> VER - the year of the        Berka - a big snake (Eastern
>>> Dragon                       Caucasian)
>>>
>>>                              Waran (Pamirian)

>>veren < turkic evren "dragon", "firmament (i.e. sky, stars etc.),
>>                       (also "oven") from evir= to turn around
>>apparently ewren/evren was latter found as a volgabulghar name.
>>
>>either e/v reversal or evren > *o":ren > veren (o": > ve - found 
>>in -r turkic.

>can't find it iranian. listed by dobrev for tajik, can't find it.

it is pamirian - sarikoli. For VERENI of the nominalia:

WARAN - a gigantic lizard, WARENDAK - long, snake-like [SarIkol'sko-
 russkij slovar'. T.M. Pakhalina, M., 1971, p. 186]
VAIRENI - a dragon (Prakrit), VAIRA - dangerous, VARUNA - the god-protector
 of the water, "The Encompasser of the World" [Sanscrit dictionary, A. 
 McDonell, Oxford, 1976, pp. 270-272]


Dobrev also had the dardic PEREN (dragon), proto-indian (?) PERAN (large,
long), the chuvash VEREM (long), the sumero-accadian UR, JURNU (dragon), 
the wide spread of this and other calendar terms of the nominalia pointing 
to the ancient chartacter of the cyclic calendar.


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