From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 06 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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vassil karloukovski communicated to me:

>Has anybody linked the khazars on the Caspian with the Khazars in Central

I don't think so. haza:ra is with an h- not x- (i.e. /kh/). in persian
haza:r means "1000" in new persian (haza:ra:n would be a plural, i.e.
a collective). it is thought to be a translation of turco-mongol
mi*ng* (1000), a unit of turco-mongol military organisation. they are
tradionally the remnants of mongol soldiers, but actually numerous
mongol and turkic tribes seem to have been settled in their region.

>Afghanistan? The latter is regarded as mongol legacy but couldn't they be
>there earlier. Their mongoloidity should be an argument, the bulgars also

but it's in asia, their traits could have come from many sources!

>had similar traits. BTW, there is also a town in the Merv oasis, called
>Burdzhan-(something).

???

an important pashto speaking tribe is the abda:l (later bestowed with
a different name in honor of dynastic origins).abda:l is traditionally
associated with a man with the dervish rank. nevertheless abdal is
common among turkmens in anatolia, and in the taurus people otherwise
known as gypsies are locally called by that name. so soem scholars
have associated them with the hephthalites.