From: "mrsingerejohansson" <mrs.inger.e.johansson@swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 04 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Pamela Maddison <pamela@pemmaddison.freeserve.co.uk> skrev i inlägg
<7e7eq4$ieo$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> Looking a bit further back in history: has anybody any opinions on why
there
> are Turkic/Finno-Ugrian elements in 3rd century Gothic? ("Atta" -
"father";
> "jah" - "and").  These are far too ordinary to have come in via the usual
> loan-word route.
> 

	Please try to get hold of Ammanianus Marcellinus Res Gesta as well as
Orosius Seven Books against Pagans, than you will find your answer. The
Goths who,(see Tacitus and Plinus) during the first Century AD had moved to
the opening of the rivers Oder and Wisla, had during the second century
established Merchandary areas and moved on Eastward as well as Southeast in
Europe - In 263 AD they met with ancestors of todays Hungarians the Finns
the Goth had contact with long before 475 BC(read Herodotus about the
peoples beyond the Skytians and try to get hold of some of Alexander the
Greats material as well). The Finns was in older ages living southeast of
Moskow and there the Goths from Gotland(and from other places in Gothaland,
Sweden) met with them during older ages - for the referencis of the
Archaeological material please try to get hold of books of Montelius(Swede)
as well as Tallgren Aarne Michael, Die Kupfer- und Bronzezeit Nord- und Ost
Russland, Helsingfors 1911 and Labuda Gerard,Zródla, sagi i legendy do
najdawniej szych dziejów polski, Warsaw 1960. 
BTW don't forget to read Zosimus New History to when you are at it.
Have a nice time reading and Happy Eastern.

Inger E Johansson BA History
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