From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 31 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <37029532.69064369@news.yale.edu> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36effb24.440413110@news.yale.edu> <7cp58m$2de@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36fac983.6248364@news.yale.edu> <3701ad7a.22810790@news.yale.edu> <3701ae58.23032248@news.yale.edu> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:20:50 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) wrote: > >if this name is discussed in an another article I would be interested >(and I'll keep looking for one). > this is what I received from vassil karloukovski: ========================================= ... for me there is still a problem. I don't know (and cannot check from here) what is the basis of this Dobrev's claim that car Roman was also called Shishman. If Dobrev relies on one recently disclosed stone inscription of car Samuil from Voden/Edessa in Western Macedonia, then this X c. Shishman is unreliable. In the inscription he (Samuil) says that he was a "grandson of the old Shishman, the kavgan of the inhabitants of T@rnovo". It is thought to be a fake!, produced in the XIX c. and it contains a lot of inconsistencies with the modern views on the Bulg. history: "kavgan"?, T@rnovo? (T@rnovo became capital only in the XII-th c., in the Second Bulg. Kingdom!; Pliska and Preslav were the capitals of the first kingdom). The director of the Bulg. National museum of history also rejected the authenticity of the Voden inscription on the basis that Shishman was a XII-XIII c. Kuman name... You (or I) could ask Stephan Nikolov whether the existance of this Roman Shishman is confirmed by other accounts. Regards, Vassil