From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 05 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <7bp0es$o52@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <7bk930$pul$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang In article <79n24d$58g@cpca3.uea.ac.uk>, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: ... If we are to cite again M. Lang, he also > refers to one western researcher (sorry, don't have the book at hand) > according to whom the architecture of these pagan sanctuaries in Pliska, > etc. was reminiscent of that of the Kushan works. Now that I got hold on Lang's book, here are his words: " [The palace complex at Pliska] also included two rectangular, almost square chambers, which are built concentrically. Here are clearly the remains of a imperial sanctuary or pagan temple, such as are also found at Madara and Preslav. Precisely which pagan god were worshipped here is not known, though Professor B. Brentjes may well be right in saying that we must look for the prototype in Central Asia, notably in the Parthyan-Kushan region. Whether the cult practised here was that of the supreme god of the early Turkic peoples, Tengri or Tangra, creator of the world, or alternatively that of Buddhism, as Brentjes suggests [Brentjes, B. On the proto-type of the proto-bulgarian temples at Pliska, Preslav and Madara, in East and West (Rome), New series, vol. 21, 3-4, 1971, pp.213-216.] remains debatable." (D.M. Lang, op.cit., p. 122) And about the Madara Horseman: " This relief depicts an equestarian Great Khan of the Bulgar; he holds the reins in his right hand and a wine cup in his left. The horse is trampling on a lion, while behind it there runs an agile grey hound. The height if the relief ... is almost 3 metres; the carving is more than 25 metres above the ground level... The obvious parallels are the reliefs of the palace at Persepolis and on the near-by cliffs of Naqsh-i-Rustam, in Iran. ... The Parthian bas-relief at Tang-i-Sarwak also springs to mind. Further interesting comparisons may be drown with the three Central Asian Buddhist paintings, more or less contemporary with the Madara Horseman, showing a rider king with a cup in hand. ..." (D.M. Lang, op.cit., p. 123) More information about the Madara horseman is available at http://www.eunet.bg/books/cultural_heritage/madara/madara-intro.html There is also a better picture of it at http://www.worldmonuments.org/madarah.html Regards, Vassil K.