From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (...) Date: 04 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36dede84.105797498@news.yale.edu> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu> <7ap23l$klu@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu> <7bk2dp$39@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dde855.22846201@news.yale.edu> <36DE4DD5.1B77@see.sig> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.lang On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:09:41 +0100, george@see.sig wrote: >Cluster User wrote: > >>dobrev has: >> >> TES - a golden basin, a Tesh - a basin, a bowl >> bowl, in the expression (Pamirian) >> =8CBOILA ZOAPAN TEZI=82 >> T=82sh - a basin, a bowl >> (Talish, Persian) >> >> Compare also to Tesh - gold >> (Eastern Caucasian) >> >>wakhi has tA*sh*t (back vowel a). now the persian word is ta*sh*t, >>zend tasta. an arabization is Ta:s (written with emphatic t, due to >>their method of transcription from pahlavi (there are also Tast and >>Ti*sh*t variants in arabic, but not so popular) and this is a backloan >>in persian. > >Interesting: this tesh/tash---talish terminology evokes a western >IE one: testa---calix. interesting but not surprising, as iranian is indo-european. it also goes to show that the form in -t is very old. > >Latin testa (earthenware: bowl, pot, jug; lid [<- testu] &c. | shard = > >| shell, carapace--hence: testudo =3D tortoise & turtle. > >(cf. Italian testa, French te^te, Romanian tzest: bowl, basin, vessel, >and tzeasta: skull.) > >Latin calix, calicis > Engl. chalice, German Kelch. (Greek kv'lix) > >But do those golden vessels of Nagyszentmiklos/Sannicolaul Mare >(now in a museum in Vienna, Austria) have any Christian symbols? >I have a color picture with 11 of the 23 items. On a larger dish-bowl = > >there is a cross surrounded by 2 decorative circles: the 1st one has an >inscription--seemingly uncial letters; the text is unreadable, since >this is no close-up photo. Besides, does anyone know what the >bas-relief bird on the main mug as well as the bovid-elk-like heads = > >attached to 2 tripod-chalices symbolize? = > > >Thank you. >George >