From: mcv@wxs.nl (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 24 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36df87a6.85668940@news.wxs.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36D37742.345C@pop.uky.edu> <7b1t4h$44h@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@wxs.nl X-Trace: reader3.wxs.nl 919899845 28958 195.121.68.94 (24 Feb 1999 23:44:05 GMT) Organization: World Access / Planet Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: mcv@wxs.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 1999 23:44:05 GMT Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On 24 Feb 1999 22:06:09 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: >Yes, I would also want to ask the Celticits whether ideas about the >eventual eastern origin for the Celts has have been advanced and whether >they have any merits. Were there any linguistical data and studies in >this direction? Celtic has its origin in Central Europe, without any doubt. It was from there, and much later, that some Celts went east, reaching as far as Central Anatolia (Galatians). There never were Celts in the Tarim Basin. It has been known for almost a century now that an archaic Indo-European language, Tocharian, was spoken and writtem in Sinkiang. >Isn't then Ok for the translator of inscriptions in one unknown language >(Bulgar) to rely on the material of other IE languages (say, Celtic) in >the cases when Iranian parallels have not been found? I consider it suspect. There is no special relation between Iranian and Celtic, or even (despite exaggerated claims to the contrary) between Tocharian and Celtic. Within IE, Celtic is closest to Italic (Latin-Faliscan, Osco-Umbrian). >+ the similarities between Celtic and the (mathematically) reconstructed >Bulgar numbers "el" (1), "tvir" (4), "sheht" (6), "es" (8), etc. Not very similar to the Celtic numerals *oin- (1), *kwetor/*petor (4), *swexs (6), *oxtn (8). The only good match in form is "sheht", but with Celtic *sextn "7". ======================= Miguel Carrasquer Vidal mcv@wxs.nl Amsterdam