From: "Stephan Nikolov" Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <7ac869$dfv$1@news.ox.ac.uk> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36c8d449.41875754@news.yale.edu> <7abimh$jns@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 919184393 13823 163.1.171.102 (16 Feb 1999 16:59:53 GMT) Organization: Ste Peter's College, Oxford NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:59:53 GMT Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang Given the fact that the Lombards were having a concerted campaign with the Avars against the Gepids, I am abit reluctant to speak of indigenous Lombart triumphal rite. There might have been a common Avar ofigin for both the (Pannonian) Bulgars and Lombards. But the ultimate beginning can be traced back to the Scythians and the Hsiung-nu. There is something more interesting for me. That Crum was not drinking from the cup himself but rather made (forced) the Slavic leaders to drink from it. May it mean that they showed somewhat dubious loyalty to the khan during Nicephoros' disastrous campaign, so the khan tried to re-assert his authority. Stephan Nikolov Vassil Karloukovski wrote in message <7abimh$jns@cpca3.uea.ac.uk>... >In article <36c8d449.41875754@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... >>On 13 Feb 1999 14:39:59 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: > >... >>>the practice of skull cupping was not exclusively hunnic-turkic. It was >>>also found among celts, scythians, etc. Paul the Deacon also says that >>>the langobard king Alboin made a drinking cup from the skull of the slain >>>gepidae king Cunimund. >> >>well, your website metions longobard - bulgar contacts. > > >yes, but this could mean that the bulgars copied the earlier longobard >example from pannonia (khan Krum himself hailed not from present bulgaria >but from transylvania/pannonia). Frankly, I don't know whether the >longobards in their turn followed some hunnic custom or whether it reflects >earlier celtic/scythian traditions. The celts also seem to have fancied >the cut heads' motif so much that its presence in the thracian art (e.g. >the Rogozen treasure, V-IV c. BC) is interpreted as a celtic influence. > > >Regards, >Vassil K. > > > >