From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 03 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <79aen0$1s4@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b61035.22226830@news.yale.edu> <797ik4$jo4@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36B7C8ED.F19FB4AC@earthlink.net> <36B7D5D1.283A0970@montclair.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang In article <36B7D5D1.283A0970@montclair.edu>, hubeyh@montclair.edu says... ... >There is no evidence for Bulgaric anywhere except the west. and under 'bulgaric' here you mean that r-turkic language, don't you? I would want to draw the attention to the fact that 'bulgarian' also appears among the slavic l-s, and now in tatarstan some people advocate for the restoration of another 'bulgari tjurki' (kipchak?) as their literary language!? And besides these three l-s there is the old bulgar which most certainly wasn't either turkic or slavic... It is a complete mess and some unified terminology must be introduced or, otherwise, the reader cannot understand from the start which one of these l-s one has in mind. It would be important if indeed 'bulgaric' (of your terminology) was found only on the west. It would mean that it didn't correspond to the old bulgar as there are documentary sources mentioning the words 'bulgars', 'bulgar' in the east (southern central asia). One syrian source even records their migration from the Imeon mountains (Alai-Pamir) to the Caucasus. Regards, Vassil K. >-- >Best Regards, >Mark >-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >hubeyh@montclair.edu =-=-=-= http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=