From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 03 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <36b7657f.505877@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...
>On 2 Feb 1999 20:08:30 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote:

>>In fact he is accepting the existence of some central asian (altaic, ugro-
>>finnic) component in the proto-bulgars that reached the danube as evident
>>by the cyclic calendar terms somor (mouse), eth (dog), dilom (snake), and
>>toh (cock).


>yes! I was wondering about that! this is not evident from the website,
>that tries to unsuccesfully give iranian or other etymologies for
>these.


Frankly, I didn't realise that! I thought it was better to avoid putting on a 
web page any proposed etymologies of the cyclic years as Dobrev didn't treat 
this question in his 'Inschriften und Alphabet der Urbulgaren'. Now I saw that
they are listed in the other web-page... Here are the central-asian parallels 
for somor, etc. proposed by him recently:

                Turkic parallel   Ugro-Finnic p.      Tungus p.
somor (mouse)     sâchkan        senger              szomor
                                 sungur (hedgehog)
eth (dog)         it             eb, empe            etek (wolverene)
dilom (snake)     ilan           ...                 ...
toh (cock)        tauk (bird)    toh, tyuk           togo (bird), but also the Dargin taha.


For the other names of animals - teku (horse), imen shegor (stallion), shegor 
(bull), dohs (swine), dvan (hare) and vereni (dragon) there are various dargin, 
lezgin, pamirian parallels.


Regards,
Vassil K.