From: "H.M.Hubey" Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 01 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36B6632D.59F691F0@montclair.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <36AC3460.856801F6@earthlink.net> <36ae814d.4306061@news.yale.edu> <78pov2$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0d1b1.748416@news.yale.edu> <78utc2$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b62799.28214259@news.yale.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Trace: hoQnjbZRkSxQz9WTaErKw6L2Q0dMWGm8UH8lMf5AySM= Organization: Montclair State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: hubeyh@montclair.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 1999 02:25:28 GMT Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang Cluster User wrote: > > On 30 Jan 1999 12:19:14 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil > Karloukovski) wrote: > > >In article <36b0d1b1.748416@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu s > the presence of an iranian or iranian- influenced population is not > denied. there is not much to "refute" so I won't quibble about teh > pssibiltyof soem errors or ommisions in this list. > > >recorded accidentally by Ibn-Fadlan and others - > > AVUS - 'wax', > > BELUVIK - 'monument', > > DALAT - the name of the valuable pelts in which the taxes has been paid, > > KHADANK - 'a type of tree', > > KHALANZH - 'tree with a valuable wood', > > KHALDZHA - the lake region near the king's summer palace, etc. > > > >and these words have perfect eastern-iranian or eastern-caucasian cognates: > > the eastern-caucasian AVUS - 'wax' > > the pamirian BEL'WIK - 'to remember', From Turkic 'bil' (to know), bilig/bilik etc. > > DALAT - 'leather' (eastern caucasian), Teri/deri (leather, skin). > >Furthermore, Ibn-Fadlan's story contains other hints to the fact that the > >Volga Bulgars were recent newcomers to these lands and that they had come There is evidence from second century BC that there were Turkic speakers there. The word is 'daichs' (in Greek) and refers to the Yayik/Cayik of the Idil-Yayik. There is evidence that some of the peoples who went into the Turkic mix were in the Middle EAst circa 3,000 BC. > > "...grain, which is quite bad, black and stinking, and they don't have rooms > > for storing their grain. They dig wells and bury the food there. In several > > days time it is spoiled, it changes its taste, becomes smelly and cannot be > > used anymore." They must have all starved that year :-) -- Best Regards, Mark -==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hubeyh@montclair.edu =-=-=-= http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=