From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 01 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:53:19 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:

>On 28 Jan 1999 12:27:24 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil
>Karloukovski) wrote:
>

>
>>
>>>volga bolgar is known from some inscriptions in arabic script and is
>>>definitely a turkic language (of the -r variety), which can be
>>>described as "old chuvash" if you like. also medieval accounts, like
>>>the lexicographer mahmud al-kashgari testify that it was a variety of
>>>turkic.
>>
>>
>>It is a corrupt argumentation in itself as it rests on later accounts,
>>inscriptions _in Arabic_, that is - post-dating the pagan period. If we apply
>>the same reasoning to the IX-X-th cc. accounts, inscriptions in Cyrillic, etc.
>>from the Danube Bulgaria, we will have to conclude that the Bulgars were 
>>Slavic through and through. 
>
>yes, it is somewhat late, but the language corresponds to -r turkic,
>whereas the later qychaq conquerors spoke -z turkic. the adaption of
>the arabic script is not along the lines eastern of turkic, which was
>essentially a transliteration from uyghur script, but taken directly
>from arabic (few plene indication of vowels - perhaps with a long /

BTW this long / short distinction is confirmed by t. tekin in a
published study of his.

>short distinction, use of emphatics in the neighborhood of back
>vowels). (the anatolian turkish adaption is another seperate one).
>
>>