From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 31 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <36b353d0.62050604@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...
>On 30 Jan 1999 14:07:55 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote:

...
>>I would be very interested in having your more detailed opinion, even it
>>would be great to put them as commentaries on the web-page. While there are
>>indeed hundreds if not thousands of persian, turkish, arabic words in 
>>modern bulgarian (via ottoman turkish), it would be difficult to imagine
>>pashto words getting into bulgarian this way. 

>OK. after I get it organised. the words I have in mind are not native
>or peculiar to the languages in question. some of them are labeled
>"talysh". this is a west-iranic minority language in azerbaijan (see
>for example "ethnologue") and one can readily see how much imbued with
>loanwords it must be.


Yes, the talysh live in the border areas between Azerbaijan and Iran and seem to 
provide many parallels to the words both from the pre-Xth century AD bulgar 
inscriptions and from modern bulgarian. 

The point is that the Armenian sources had recorded a IVth century AD (or probably 
even earlier) Bulgar migration under the leadership of a certain Vanand from the 
Caucasus to the region of Kars in Armenia. This migration is supported by toponymical
data - Vanand-chaj (a tributary of Arax), Bolgaru-chaj (a border river between 
Azerbaijan and Iran), etc., and it could probably explain why talysh contains the 
closest to the old bulgar forms.

Regards,
Vassil Karloukovski