From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 29 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Sat, 29 May 1999 19:25:34 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:

>> TUBA - ‘a vow’ or ‘a holy    Tuba - a vow, a pledge
>> gift’. In the expression     (Pamirian, Eastern
>> "Tongan iz polou tuba        Caucasian)
>> obasa"

as I said before the above etymology is also impossible.

>>                              Or from Tuva - a gift (See
>>                              below)
>>
>> TUVIN - in the Omurtag's     Tuwa - a gift (Talish,
>> expression "And the tuvin    Eastern Caucasian)
>> is famous, fine."
>>                              TUVIN probably means ‘given
>>                              as gift’
>
>
>if tuva is taken to be from "pashto" tuhfa - gift - this etymology is
>impossible since tuhfa is a later day loan from arabic tuHfa(t)
>"gift", with a /H/ i.e. /h./ pharyngeal unvoiced fricative which is
>not native to pashto and is genearlly afro-asiatic. see aslanov
>pashto-russian p. 218 (2nd col. - "podarok")  for confirmation.