From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 12 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <3738db3d.126182861@news.yale.edu> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36cca75c.15555467@news.yale.edu> <36cf2980.190197920@news.yale.edu> <36dee7fa.108219411@news.yale.edu> <36e40f21.4849643@news.yale.edu> <7c6hs4$va@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36f6aeef.439178515@news.yale.edu> <7dajnt$ssk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7ei51h$4m5$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <370cf95d.8677457@news.yale.edu> <7en884$1t8@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3712427B.DA4346AA@mbay.net> <3713a994.660219@news.yale.edu> <371BFCD7.98263C22@montclair.edu> <372220bb.143446995@news.yale.edu> <37226EDB.7038A129@montclair.edu> <7fuohl$ori@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <372f5c62.91986990@news.yale.edu> <372f5cbe.92079743@news.yale.edu> <7gp50a$cct@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3734b8cd.146733852@news.yale.edu> <3736019e.9033128@news.yale.edu> <7h8v0l$fmg@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3738ca86.121904158@news.yale.edu> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.lang On Wed, 12 May 1999 00:42:54 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) wrote: >On 11 May 1999 09:58:45 GMT e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil >Karloukovski) wrote: > >> >> >>bulgar modern pamirian, saka khotanese, sanscrit, turkic >> etc. sogdian avestan reading >> >>ALEM, ALAM, OLAM (beg. *AL (main) ALAM (first, il, ilk, ilki >>first of the year [SIja, p.266] high, main) (one) <-- V.K.: isn't >> ALEJN (first) [SCR, p.29] "bir the common turkic? >> ?[TRS, p.11]? >> AL (first) >> [Mun, p.188] > >also elem chuvash a~le~x before, NB >turkish evvel > (`ar. first) for >"before") > or u"lem ("future", like >turkish ileri > il + eri, also "forwards, >ahead") > > codex comanicus has "ilyas ay" < *il yaz ay (first month of spring, >for "march") ilk has frequently a temporal meaning. clauson has: ><<'first' in order of time and space.>> "birinc,i" (tu"rku"t, chuvash >pe~rreme~$) is more general. "il" does not mean "one". > some languages also have ilkinc,i with a redundant ordian suffix, as does apparently bulghar. > >talysh has evvelminci (! arabic + iranian and turkic suffixes) >turkish "alIn" (forehead) was also attributed to talysh by >dobrev, although not listed in his dictionary. these words >are not found in the dictionaries. al, ala:n seems to be a >noun of place. > >sanskrit alam is given as "enough", "equal to ", "high" > >I don't find shown to be found for iranian. > >>