From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 04 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <372f5c62.91986990@news.yale.edu> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36cca75c.15555467@news.yale.edu> <36cf2980.190197920@news.yale.edu> <36dee7fa.108219411@news.yale.edu> <36e40f21.4849643@news.yale.edu> <7c6hs4$va@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36f6aeef.439178515@news.yale.edu> <7dajnt$ssk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7ei51h$4m5$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <370cf95d.8677457@news.yale.edu> <7en884$1t8@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3712427B.DA4346AA@mbay.net> <3713a994.660219@news.yale.edu> <371BFCD7.98263C22@montclair.edu> <372220bb.143446995@news.yale.edu> <37226EDB.7038A129@montclair.edu> <7fuohl$ori@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.lang vassil karloukovski comminicated to me: =================================== > >OSHAV - stewed From the Pamirian/Persian Pamirian > > dried fruit, KHOSH (^Ñsweet^Ò, adj.) + AV > > dried fruit (^Ñwater^Ò), literally - ^Ña > > compote sweet water^Ò). The > > disappearance of the initial > > KH is the same as that in > > ALKHA from KHALKA in the > > expression ALKHASI KUPE. > > turk. ho$af < pers. xo^$a^b probably through kurdish xo^$a^v > xo$ "sweet, nice" a:b (a^v in kurdish) > (ottoman xo:$a:b, xo$ < xwe$ (for example kurdish) > xo:$a:f) well, in bulg. there is the word "kozunak" (Easter cake), which according to Dobrev is derived from some "pamirian" kozu/khozu for "sweet". Next, there is this "ovchi" (irrigator) in runes, as you said - from av, ab (water) + -chi. You are probably right that "oshav" itself is from ottoman turkish, but you see both parts in "oshav" have pre-ottoman forms in bulgarian. The same with "tas" (bowl) in bulg. Probably it is derived from such word in ottoman turkish, but then there is this "tesi" for bowl in the inscription from Nagy Saint Miklosh.