From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 28 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <372792ce.17040963@news.yale.edu> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <371e5362.14471999@news.yale.edu> <7fs1j8$brv@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3722705D.B10E96BA@montclair.edu> <37228395.105363334@news.yale.edu> <7g2adc$qkv$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <3724c639.8283551@news.yale.edu> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:04:21 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) wrote: >On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:14:10 +0100, "Stephan Nikolov" > wrote: > >>Cluster User wrote in message <37228395.105363334@news.yale.edu>... >>>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:31:09 -0400, "H.M.Hubey" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>this thread quibbles about whether bulgars are turkic or iranians. for >>>proto-euphratic matters see another thread "some turkic words" in >>>sci.lang. >> >> >> >>This thread quibbles about whether Bulgars spoke Turkic or Iranian language, if >>I am correct, or you have already established that the language = ethnicity. > let me add that at first I trusted dobrev's interpretations but merely felt that he was exagerating by denying a genuine turkic element. I also felt that the volgabulghars were turkic speakers even when they first came to their northern territory. now I have serious doubts about dobrev's approach. there might be a number of alanic material he has uncovered (as "pamiri"), and perhaps some of this comes from the federated alans among the bulghars. they might have even been particularly strong among the group that went to the danube. > >good point. for my part I am dealing with linguistic criteria. >association with an ethnic group, and hence inferring a language is >done as a side argument. > >> >>SN >> >