From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: some turkic words (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 25 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:31:09 -0400, "H.M.Hubey"
<Mark.Hubey@montclair.edu> wrote:

>

let's keep these "prot-euphratic" things in a different thread.

>
>Vassil Karloukovski wrote:
>>
>> if wakhi, etc. c,@rbu -> bulg. chorbadzhi, chorbadzhija (master, boss; rich
>> man), then Dobrev probably had in mind another word char, which already fell
>> off use in the 19th c.
>
>I think chorbadji is from Ottoman. It was probably a title left over

yes, see my post.

>from the olden days, like subashi (water-chief). But then is "chorba"
>Turkic? 

it is a somewhat oldish loan from iranian. 

>
>How would anyone know? Look at some of these words;
>
>Turk. ot (fire), Sumer. utu (fire, sun), Turk. IsI (heat), Hittite
>hassa (oven), Turk. issi (hot), Turk. pish (to cook), Turk. hashla (to
>cook by boiling). Notice the p>h change which is postulated for 
>protoTurkic. Notice English hot, heat, etc. Also note that DAniels
>says that 'proto-Euphratic' is Semitic, and that there are other 
>linguists who claim to find traces of Semitic in other IE languages
>such as in German, or Celtic. So now look at Turk. 'chorba' (soup),
>KB, shorpa (soup), and English 'soup'.
>
>-- 
>Best Regards,
>Mark
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