From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 24 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On 24 Apr 1999 09:06:48 GMT Vassil Karloukovski wrote:

>In article <371e5362.14471999@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...
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>>apprarently dobrev recently came up with some "pamirian" word CHAR,
>>with which according to dobrev until recently (until the 19th c.)
>>these people used to denote their highest ruler. he takles this to be
>>the origin of tsar.
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>>lorimer "wakhi grammer, part II) has c,@rbu (with the note c,h ? i.e.
>>the c, may be aspirated) "a minor village official". then "Cp. Kho.
>>and Sh. c,h@rbu ,  Bur. c,@rbu, "
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>if wakhi, etc. c,@rbu -> bulg. chorbadzhi, chorbadzhija (master, boss; rich

no. "the turkish factor" again.

chorbadzhi < c,orbacI . litt. maker, seller or distributer of soup
(c,orba). a janissary rank (or function / appellation, acc. to
redhouse equivalent to colonel): the gathering or roll call of the men
would be before the common soup cauldron. redhouse also has the
obsolete meaning "official reciever and entertainer of guests in a
village or town", "boss" as slang and "christian notable in a turkish
town".

>man), then Dobrev probably had in mind another word char, which already fell
>off use in the 19th c.
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as a side not rasing the cauldron was a sign of mutiny or revolt,
(a notorious habit of the janissaries during the "classical" age)
hence the expression "kazan kaldIrmak" (i.e. rasing the cauldron)
for mutiny.

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