From: "H.M.Hubey" Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 23 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <372113D4.27458AC8@montclair.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36cca75c.15555467@news.yale.edu> <36cf2980.190197920@news.yale.edu> <36dee7fa.108219411@news.yale.edu> <36e40f21.4849643@news.yale.edu> <7c6hs4$va@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36f6aeef.439178515@news.yale.edu> <7dajnt$ssk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7ei51h$4m5$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <370cf95d.8677457@news.yale.edu> <7en884$1t8@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3712427B.DA4346AA@mbay.net> <3713a994.660219@news.yale.edu> <371BFCD7.98263C22@montclair.edu> <3720f74a.8447837@news.yale.edu> To: Cluster User X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Trace: PtHF+Lrj/S8DD58hIa8+GtAubgdL7vWiyQ1+QR4oqno= Organization: Montclair State University Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 1999 00:39:04 GMT Newsgroups: sci.lang Cluster User wrote: > > >> O > >> turkic has native yaz= "to write", chuv. s'Ir= (hung. i'r=). > >> (perhaps *ya:z=) > > > >yaz/caz likely came from Ciz/sIz and thus likely from > >s'Ir. > > there are some problems with the -i- in chuavsh and hungarian. tukic > -a- is frequently found as -I- in ogur, and the hungarian example > with no gy- may point to an early loan and the i- may be a development > within hungarian. in some siberian uralic language it is yeri- "to > draw" (NB r + palatal!) and thus it may have been y- all along. Or else the c/y split occurred a very long time ago. One would need more examples, because 'yeri' is not too distant from "ir" and the initial "y" could also be hypercorrection. We'd need to look at the languages in more detail. -- Best Regards, Mark -==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hubeyh@montclair.edu =-=-=-= http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=