From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 23 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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a likely ogur word in bulgarian I ran across is sharan for "carp". in
turkish and other turkic languages it is sazan (so in russian as
well). it is given as a turkic loan in russian by the turkish
dictionary (tu"rkc,e so"zlu"k). the fish is apparently a native of
asia. sharan would be an expected development. hungarian and chuvash
(which has sazan from russian or tatar) don't have it. I think it may
be connected with hungarian sa'r (*sh*a:r) for "mud". apparently the
fish has a habit of muddying the water with its swimming habits. long
a would become ia: in ogur, palatizing s to *sh* (a common development
in oghur) z / r is the mark of oguric.