From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 21 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <371e4dc5.13035143@news.yale.edu> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3718c0d8.988421@news.yale.edu> <7fhjus$h91@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On 20 Apr 1999 10:12:44 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: >> >>if one is going to quibble about details and not accept "libertin" >>as simply a latinization, > > >or simply a roman name? rather uncommon for that isn't it? > >one can point out possibilities such as >>initial vowel reduction in chuvash (such as what resulted in >>russian "loshad"); the variants ertem (tuva) and erden (anat. dial.) >>see clauson p. 206. > > >well, it was "alasha" in danube bulgar, not "loshad'" or "Albania"->"Lobania" the final a might have been just shortened, not elided. or it might be just a "meaningful" rendition. >as it could be in russian. Buzan and Libertin were two bulgar generals >who together with the Gepids fought against the Goths near Belgrade. Are >you going to propose one so early slavic influence on bulgar (V-th c. and >a latin source)? Besides, the other name - Buzan, is not turkic, to start >with. BUZ - "a mountain goat" in Iranian, also probably in Thracian >(hence "Byzantion"). > > >VK >