From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 10 Apr 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <7en7q2$1t8@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> <79fo99$qkl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <370d1b3e.17350739@news.yale.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang In article <370d1b3e.17350739@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... >On Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:14:49 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk wrote: ... >>not the bulgars. Ibn-Fadlan (921-922) says that the language of the volga >>bulgars didn't resemble either turkic or slavic, while Istahri, Haukal, Bekri > >I'll look at the last names at little more. > >>and Jakut find similarities between the khazar and bulgar l-s, but say they >>didn't resemble either turkic or persian. > >yes. it didn't resemble *common* turkic. OK, you may interpret it as an evidence of some *uncommon" turkic, but it could also support the alternative eastern-iranian theory. The latter is supported by the iranian words recorded by ibn-Fadlan and others for volga bulgar as well as by the eastern-iranian agricultural and other loanwords in Mari. Simply, from now on the turkic theories will not be able to dismiss these "details" and to automatically jump to the desired conclusions (because I do think we are dealing with preconceptions regarding volga bulgar). Regards, Vassil K.