From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 31 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:20:50 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:


>
>if this name is discussed in an another article I would be interested
>(and I'll keep looking for one).
>

 
this is what I received from vassil karloukovski:

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     ...           for me there is still a problem. I don't know (and 
cannot check from here) what is the basis of this Dobrev's claim
that car Roman was also called Shishman. If Dobrev relies on one 
recently disclosed stone inscription of car Samuil from  Voden/Edessa 
in Western Macedonia, then this X c. Shishman is unreliable. 

In the inscription he (Samuil) says that he was a "grandson of the old

Shishman, the kavgan of the inhabitants of T@rnovo". It is thought to
be a fake!, produced in the XIX c. and it contains a lot of
inconsistencies with the modern views on the Bulg. history: "kavgan"?,
T@rnovo? (T@rnovo became capital only in the XII-th c., in the Second
Bulg. Kingdom!; Pliska and Preslav were the capitals of the first
kingdom). The director of the Bulg. National museum of history also
rejected the authenticity of the Voden inscription on the basis that
Shishman was a XII-XIII c. Kuman name...

You (or I) could ask Stephan Nikolov whether the existance of this
Roman Shishman is confirmed by other accounts.


Regards,
Vassil