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Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 17 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On 17 Mar 1999 21:02:14 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil
Karloukovski) wrote:


>
>>>- 1257 AD - ascension of car Constantine Assen, with a third name "Tih". 
>>>  1257 was the year of the horse in the bulgar cyclic calendar ("teku" in 
>>>  the nominalia, "tiha" for "little horse" in chuvash).
>>
>>chuvash tixa < *tayxa < tay + qa, turkic ta:y = colt, pony, -qa
>>perhaps dimunitive or an ending in animal names. tay a l.w. in persian
>>and other languages. (chuvash etym. dict., clauson, doerfer)
>
>
> + the estonian "teku", ishkashimi "taj-ak", lezgin "degi", dargin "teku" 
>(donkey). The pamirian "taj-ak" is closer to the bulgar "teku" than the 

as I said taj-ak would be tay + dim. suffix ak. the caucasian forms
are likey to be loans, either from turkic or uralic. th echuvash form
is cogante to turkic!

>persian "taj, tej" is. Further parallel is the sanscrit "tak" (to run, to
>race).  One cannot claim all these forms are loan-words from turkic. The 
>word, Dobrev thinks, is much older.
>

that's very possible, such names get spread easily, i.e. with teh
domestication of the animal.

>...
>>>The point is that in the nominalia between Kuber and his son Asparuh there 
>>>reigned for three years one Bezmer, who was nobody else but the older brother 
>>>of Asparuh - Batbajan. And Bezmer started to rule in the year of shegor - the
>>>year of the bull. 
>>
>>yes, likely. shegor < turk. sIg~Ir

BTW chuvash has *sh* < s + palatization.

>
>
> + the lezgin "ceg" (wild buffalo), the avaro-andij "zig", the jagnobi "sheg" 

fine, but the -r might very well be an altaic collective.

>(cow) [1], the sarikoli "z^ew" (cow) [2], "shegor" (bull); the sanscrit 
>"s'akvara" (bull), "s'ikara" (holy)...
>

the sanskrit form is intesting, but again, such long-range
similarities exist.

>
>[1] M. Anfreev, Materialy po etnografii Jagnoba, Dushanbe, 1970, p. 58
>[2] Pahalina, Sarykol'sko-russkij slovar', T. M., 1971, p. 261
>