From: george@see.sig Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (...) Date: 04 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36DE4DD5.1B77@see.sig> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu> <7ap23l$klu@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu> <7bk2dp$39@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dde855.22846201@news.yale.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: 4 Mar 1999 10:08:54 +0100, 195.180.235.213 Organization: yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: george@see.sig Newsgroups: sci.lang Cluster User wrote: >dobrev has: > > TES - a golden basin, a Tesh - a basin, a bowl > bowl, in the expression (Pamirian) > =8CBOILA ZOAPAN TEZI=82 > T=82sh - a basin, a bowl > (Talish, Persian) > > Compare also to Tesh - gold > (Eastern Caucasian) > >wakhi has tA*sh*t (back vowel a). now the persian word is ta*sh*t, >zend tasta. an arabization is Ta:s (written with emphatic t, due to >their method of transcription from pahlavi (there are also Tast and >Ti*sh*t variants in arabic, but not so popular) and this is a backloan >in persian. Interesting: this tesh/tash---talish terminology evokes a western IE one: testa---calix. Latin testa (earthenware: bowl, pot, jug; lid [<- testu] &c. | shard = | shell, carapace--hence: testudo =3D tortoise & turtle. (cf. Italian testa, French te^te, Romanian tzest: bowl, basin, vessel, and tzeasta: skull.) Latin calix, calicis > Engl. chalice, German Kelch. (Greek kv'lix) But do those golden vessels of Nagyszentmiklos/Sannicolaul Mare (now in a museum in Vienna, Austria) have any Christian symbols? I have a color picture with 11 of the 23 items. On a larger dish-bowl = there is a cross surrounded by 2 decorative circles: the 1st one has an inscription--seemingly uncial letters; the text is unreadable, since this is no close-up photo. Besides, does anyone know what the bas-relief bird on the main mug as well as the bovid-elk-like heads = attached to 2 tripod-chalices symbolize? = Thank you. George