From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 03 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <7bk5ri$vqc@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu> <7ap23l$klu@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu> <36dc59d9.6627990@news.yale.edu> <7bj56t$qrl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.lang In article <7bj56t$qrl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk>, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk says... >In article <36dc59d9.6627990@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... >>>i have not been able to find "tagarog". >>>there is however, indeed `ar. taqa:rub being or coming near to each >>>other, rapprochment. one of the many litterary loans in persian, >>>rendered in the modern pronounciation as ta*gh*a:rob. >> >>one of the most unlikely loans for danube bulghar! >indeed. For volga bulgar it is still understandable, if they were >islamicised or had islamic groups among them earlier, several decades >before Ibn-Fadlan's trip. > >But what about some other semitic language as a source for the (danube) >bulgar words? The jews living among those bulgars in the Caucasus? Some >older arameic influence on iranian? or maybe some near eastern influences brought by the vhndr (unogundur) bulgar immigrants to Armenia (the so called "vanandians") or by the unogundurs of Asparukh of the Caucasus? The observations of D. Lang, professor of Caucasian studies at the Univ. of London, in his chapter on the architecture of the bulgar capital Pliska might be indicative: " Perhaps the more pertinent comparison would be with the 'Umayyad palaces and citadels of Syria, which are contemporary with Pliska, and are also distinguished by the use of massive ashlar masonry blocks, and by skilful mastery of drainage and hot water systems, complete with sophisticated hypocaust installation." (D.M. Lang. The Bulgarians, 1976, p. 121) There are, however, other interpretations - that the palaces in Khoresm, Merv and Termez provide closer parallels. The ascending to the main floor of the throne palace in Pliska was by the way of an outer platform along the long axis of the building - something characteristic to the central asian castles. Regards, Vassil K.