From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 03 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <7bk2dp$39@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu> <7ap23l$klu@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K. Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.lang In article <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... >>TAGROGI - a word from Nagy Tagarog - a reapproachment; >> Saint Miklos’ treasure, becoming related by marriage >> referring to the (Persian) >> fraternization of two >> zhupans >i have not been able to find "tagarog". >there is however, indeed `ar. taqa:rub being or coming near to each >other, rapprochment. one of the many litterary loans in persian, >rendered in the modern pronounciation as ta*gh*a:rob. perhaps more details on the Nagy Saint Miklos treasure itself would be useful. It was: "... discovered in 1799 in a village in the Romanian Banat, which formed part of the First Bulg. Empire from 804 to 896. It comprises 23 vessels. ... Some motifs are of Byzantine and Classical Greek inspiration, while elsewhere we find Oriental deities, such as the goddess Anahite. ...a medalion showing a rider, entirely dressed in a coat of mail, dragging a captive along by the hair... This must be one of the earliest portrayals of the warrior in a coat of mail, since this type of armour first appeared in Europe in the IXth c." " From the VIIth to the Xth century, there flourished in South Russia and around the Carpathians, a school of metal workers who are usually linked to the Sasanian silver-workers of Iran." (D.M. Lang. The Bulgarians..., 1976, p. 123) The inscription on a golden cup from Nagy Saint Miklos reads BOILA ZOAPAN TESI DUGETOIGI BOITAUL ZOAPAN TAGROGI ITZIGI TAISI and according to Dobrev describes the fraternisation between two dignitaries, two "boila zhupans" (allegedly done by drinking wine mixed with blood from the cup). Regards, Vassil K.