From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars) Date: 03 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36dd9296.20635281@news.yale.edu> References: <36ca073a.16343620@news.yale.edu> <36cca3ed.14676934@news.yale.edu> <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu> <7ap23l$klu@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36dc5653.5725843@news.yale.edu> <36dc59d9.6627990@news.yale.edu> <7bj56t$qrl@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.lang On 3 Mar 1999 11:08:13 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: >In article <36dc59d9.6627990@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... > >>>>TAGROGI - a word from Nagy Tagarog - a reapproachment; >>>> Saint Miklos’ treasure, becoming related by marriage >>>> referring to the (Persian) >>>> fraternization of two >>>> zhupans > >>>i have not been able to find "tagarog". >>>there is however, indeed `ar. taqa:rub being or coming near to each >>>other, rapprochment. one of the many litterary loans in persian, >>>rendered in the modern pronounciation as ta*gh*a:rob. >> >>one of the most unlikely loans for danube bulghar! > > >indeed. For volga bulgar it is still understandable, if they were the word in question is rather bookish for persian, that's why. >islamicised or had islamic groups among them earlier, several decades >before Ibn-Fadlan's trip. > >But what about some other semitic language as a source for the (danube) >bulgar words? The jews living among those bulgars in the Caucasus? Some perhaps for the word for "cauldron," found for accadian, mentioned by dobrev. >older arameic influence on iranian? persian (middle, perhaps old) did have for a long time, but I have difficulty accounting for the the couple of words mentioned so far concerning bulghar, definitly not "taqa:rub". > >Just speculating... > >Regards, >Vassil K. >