From: e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski)
Subject: Re: The Bulgars are Bulgars (Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars)
Date: 21 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <36ccb13d.18084634@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says...

>as for old bulgarian aside, from the fact some words are seen
>in turkic I have suspicions with these:
...
>> IMAET - a trustee, in the    Imaet - a trustee, a
>> expression ZHUPAN I IMAET    guardian (Pamirian)
>> GEORGE
>
>
>imaet (pamirian) sounds like `ar. 'ama:na(t) (putting into
>                               trust)
>
>if so, the old bulgarian word must be something else.


This word IMAET comes from a cyrillic inscription (on the walls of 
a rock church) which mixes slavic and bulgar words:

  ZHUPAN I IMAET GEORGE ONC TEBE TAM ESTEK KRAIN I REZHET.

Dobrev translates it as
 THE ZHUPAN AND GUARDIAN GEORGE PROMISES YOU EIGHTY PIECES OF GOLD 
 AND SO MUST BE IT!,

ESTEK (eighty), KRAIN (gold pieces), REZHET (it may be!), ONC, ZHUPAN
and IMAET being iranian (pamirian) words according to him. Somebody
else could probably offer another, more slavic-like interpretation.

...
>> Volga Bulgar word            Closest analogies
>
>> 
>> KHALDZHA - the lakes near   Khalidzh - an inlet, a pool,
>> the summer palace of the    a lake in some Pamirian
>> king of the Volga Bulgars   languages
>> Almus in 921 AD.
>
>
>xali:*dj* is found in arabic (gulf, thus inlet). if that
>is the word, then xal*dj*a must come from somewhere else.


KHALDZHA is mentioned by Ibn-Fadlan: "And when we met the king, we 
found he had stopped for a rest and temporary residence in the so 
called Khaldzha, in fact this region was situated between three 
lakes - one small and two big ones, whose bottoms are unreachable. 
Between this place and the enormous river that flows towards the 
country of the khazars and is known under the name of Atil (Volga), 
the distance was one farsah."

Could it be that "Khaldzha" was Ibn-Fadlan's own translation of the 
name of the place - "The Lakes", "Lake district", or something similar?


Regards,
Vassil K.