From: "H.M.Hubey" Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 02 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36B7D2E5.7365D5AF@montclair.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3744d12a.1873763068@news.wxs.nl> <796m95$eq2@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <375c0ea6.1954957123@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Trace: 6FrqqmyGe7MbKbCPPo66iELUlIYHsuqBVa26T7W+x4k= Organization: Montclair State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: hubeyh@montclair.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Feb 1999 04:34:24 GMT Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang Miguel Carrasquer Vidal wrote: > > On 2 Feb 1999 11:07:17 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil > Karloukovski) wrote: > > >Well, if the borrowings had been very old, shouldn't they have been > >present in other Uralic l-s, not in Mari alone as Dobrev claims? > > Borrowings from Iranian abound in other Uralic languages, not > only in Volga Finnic (Mari and Mordvin), but in Ugric and Permian > too. And also in Slavic, by the way (words such as bog "god", > sto "100" and sobaka "dog" are believed to be of Iranian origin). That makes some strange twists. Look at these kirk/kirigh > sorug kopek/kobak > sobaka kapak/kaplak > sapokh kurek > sovok That makes Turkic "kopek" also from Iranian. BTW, something like this k > s shows up in Turkic itself. It is really t > s. Maybe the original sound was *p. Then we have two paths p > t > k > x > s (maybe the t can be skipped). or t > th > s -- Best Regards, Mark -==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hubeyh@montclair.edu =-=-=-= http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=