From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 03 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36b795b1.13465973@news.yale.edu> References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> <36a8d455.81661202@news.yale.edu> <78pl3c$84o@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b0dc2f.3434839@news.yale.edu> <78v30o$vl6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b34d7c.60430113@news.yale.edu> <794e84$4iq@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36b61035.22226830@news.yale.edu> <797ik4$jo4@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Organization: Yale University Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On 2 Feb 1999 19:11:00 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: >In article <36b61035.22226830@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu says... >>On 1 Feb 1999 14:37:56 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil Karloukovski) wrote: > >... >>>I couldn't deny that but the question is how relevant are these rather late >> >>they show that the -r turkic component of the volga bulgars, which >>seems to be old, > > >... and the south slavic component in the danube bulgars was as old (VII-VIII c. AD) I meant "old" at the time of the volga-bulgar inscriptions. > > was important enough as to establish itself as their >>dominant local langauge. > > >... and was important enough to establish itself as a dominant language, in fact, >was adopted as a language of the state and the church, although the court and the >administrative titles remained iranian. This -r turkic "volga bolgaric" probably >corresponds to the old proto-bulgarian as much as the south slavic "old bulgarian" >does. > >Let me also say that I wouldn't reject any possible turkic traces or involvement and >I am quite happy with this chuvashian-like turkic on volga. At the end, we in Bulgaria >share some folk traditions, folk embroidery patterns, etc. with the chuvash. It is >a part of some common heritage that should be treasured. But the blind belief in the >"turkic origins" impeded the research in and the more correct interpretation of our >history. > > >Regards, >Vassil K. >