From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 02 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:30:05 -0500, "H.M.Hubey" <hubeyh@montclair.edu>
wrote:

>Cluster User wrote:
>> 
>> On 30 Jan 1999 12:19:14 GMT, e.karloukovski@uea.ac.uk (Vassil
>> Karloukovski) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <36b0d1b1.748416@news.yale.edu>, cluster.user@yale.edu s
>
>> the presence of an iranian or iranian- influenced population is not
>> denied. there is not much to "refute" so I won't quibble about teh
>> pssibiltyof soem errors or ommisions in this list.
>> 
>> >recorded accidentally by Ibn-Fadlan and others -
>> >  AVUS - 'wax',
>> >  BELUVIK - 'monument',
>> >  DALAT - the name of the valuable pelts in which the taxes has been paid,
>> >  KHADANK - 'a type of tree',
>> >  KHALANZH - 'tree with a valuable wood',
>> >  KHALDZHA - the lake region near the king's summer palace, etc.
>> >
>> >and these words have perfect eastern-iranian or eastern-caucasian cognates:
>> >  the eastern-caucasian AVUS - 'wax'
>> >  the pamirian BEL'WIK - 'to remember',
>
>From Turkic 'bil' (to know), bilig/bilik etc.

also old turkic belgu", mong belge sign, mark
found in hungarian, danube bulgar and volga bulgar inscriptions.

>
>> >  DALAT - 'leather' (eastern caucasian),
>
>	Teri/deri (leather, skin).
>
>> >Furthermore, Ibn-Fadlan's story contains other hints to the fact that the
>> >Volga Bulgars were recent newcomers to these lands and that they had come
>
>There is evidence from second century BC that there were Turkic speakers
>there. The word is 'daichs' (in Greek) and refers to the Yayik/Cayik
>of the Idil-Yayik. There is evidence that some of the peoples who went
>into the Turkic mix were in the Middle EAst circa 3,000 BC.
>
>
>> > "...grain, which is quite bad, black and stinking, and they don't have rooms
>> > for storing their grain. They dig wells and bury the food there. In several
>> > days time it is spoiled, it changes its taste, becomes smelly and cannot be
>> > used anymore."
>
>They must have all starved that year :-)
>
>
>
>-- 
>Best Regards,
>Mark
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