From: mcv@wxs.nl (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal) Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars Date: 22 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <36d77e23.1000882888@news.wxs.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <369E3BE1.5C45@sbu.ac.uk> <77li2j$qi0$1@whisper.globalserve.net> <369F52FE.2B6@sbu.ac.uk> <77rc86$auj$1@brokaw.wa.com> <36A444B3.F3B70F1C@alum.mit.edu.-> <7827sb$269$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36A52D70.9E372DD2@alum.mit.edu.-> <36A556AB.9927BD29@montclair.edu> <36a63533.58309714@news.yale.edu> <7866ud$i9m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36cdb21e.883120019@news.wxs.nl> <36A7FCC8.79790A6B@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@wxs.nl X-Trace: reader1.wxs.nl 917013088 12143 195.121.39.209 (22 Jan 1999 13:51:28 GMT) Organization: World Access / Planet Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: mcv@wxs.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 1999 13:51:28 GMT Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:21:28 -0800, Robert wrote: >However, Peter Dobrev, a Bulgarian anthropologist championing the >Pamiric hypothesis, has used Dardic and other eastern Iranic cognates to >decipher the inscriptions. [...] The evidence he cites to buttress his >argument is quite persuasive, at least to a layman such as myself. Well, I didn't exactly claim the Bolgars were all Turkic, just that some (R-)Turkic speaking people were among them, as suggested by the fact that Chuvash is now spoken in former Bolgaria on the Volga. It's true that the inscriptions adduced by Dobrev don't look Turkic at all. However, Dobrev isn't able to make much sense of them by interpreting them as Iranian either. Unfortunately, this doesn't stop Dobrev from "translating" the inscriptions. If no suitable Iranian (Pamiri) word is found, Dobrev does not hesitate to provide Celtic, Chechen, Georgian or "Sumero-Akkadian" parallels. Anything goes (except, apparently, Turkic). On the basis of Dobrev's materials, it seems safest to say that Danube Bolgarian (like Hunnish) is a language of as yet unknown affiliation, probably with a number of Turkic and Iranian loanwords. ======================= Miguel Carrasquer Vidal mcv@wxs.nl Amsterdam